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The Irish Leave the EU

Friday, July 30, 2010 – by  Staff Report


Irish emigration soars as Celtic Tiger's cubs hunt for jobs ... The number of people leaving the Republic has swelled far beyond those of every other country in the European Union, says research. An estimated 40,000 people emigrated last year, according to the EU's statistics office, Eurostat, a rate almost twice as high as that of Lithuania, the next most affected country. It is expected the flow may worsen as the Republic faces years of severe financial difficulties. A research institute has warned that 200,000 people, in a country of 4.5 million, may be forced to emigrate by 2015 if job opportunities do not improve. – Belfast Telegraph

Dominant Social Theme: A sad ending to a notable economic resurgence.

Free-Market Analysis: Did the aggregate Irish populace see this coming? It was not so long ago that the Irish voted twice to provide the EU with additional powers that EU leaders had hoped to achieve via the passage of a constitution. When the French along with a few other countries voted against the constitution, Euro-crats repackaged it as a "treaty" and avoided the electorate altogether except in Ireland.

What was the dominant social theme? Perhaps it was that the EU itself was such a monumental step forward for those who live in Europe, that those who didn't see it simply couldn't be allowed to stand in the way of the progress that the EU offered to all. Of course, these days, that progress is less easy to discern and the Irish themselves have woken up to the downside of the EU and many have apparently made the decision to leave it. Since at this point, Ireland cannot formally leave the EU, people themselves are taking "human action" and leaving on their own. They are emigrating.

Remember the big to-do? The Irish voted against the Lisbon Treaty and suddenly the forward momentum of the EU was halted. It looked as if it really might fall back toward being something along the lines of what had been promised initially, a free-trade zone and not an empire-in-waiting. Alas, it was not to be. Amazingly, the Treaty was sent back to the Irish for a second vote.

There was no real rationale for a second vote. It was simply determined that the Irish had voted wrongly the first time. And with the economy collapsing around their heads, the Irish were told to vote again and that a pro-EU was both expected and necessary. The Irish political elite threw its entire weight behind the Treaty and the poor Irish were virtually bombarded with pro-EU propaganda and sudden (ephemeral) surges of cash. Eventually, the Irish ratified the treaty, which put it into effect for the whole of Europe.

Was it the correct decision? Post-crisis reporting tends to indicate that EU powers have been used to further empower wealthy EU banks while generating severe "austerity" measures for much of Europe. And what have the Irish gotten out of it? Well, this nation of nearly five million was heralded as the Celtic Tiger throughout the 2000s. EU money flowed freely into Ireland and a real-estate boom fueled the economy. But when the financial crisis became severe, the Irish economy collapsed along with the rest of Southern European prosperity. Here is a fairly good summary of where the Irish are at now from the alternative Internet-based news organization Spiked Online:

After two decades of rapid but uneven growth, the country's economy crashed and burned along with the rest of the world following the credit crisis. The result has been one of the harshest austerity programmes in Europe. Public spending has been slashed, tax has risen, the banks have been bailed-out, and a controversial 'bad bank' scheme – the National Asset Management Agency (Nama) – was created to buy delinquent property debts from the country's financial institutions. All of this has been done in order to prove the county is a 'good financial citizen'. Seemingly the plan is working. Accountancy firm Ernst and Young has announced that the citizens of Ireland are about to enjoy a recovery. The snag is, it will be 'jobless'. Just what is a jobless recovery, you ask? The answer is simple: a decade of pain.

In the wake of the collapse, several factors have become clearer. First of all, it is fairly obvious that the EU was basically bribing European countries to join the EU. Most EU countries were not in fact economically viable if strict EU budgetary rules were to be met. Thus it was that EU leaders began to offer additional monies, often in the billions, to the various governments for purposes of building up prosperity and paying down debts.

The political and business elites of the various countries were delighted to take the money, which probably (human nature being what it is) went straight-away into various pockets. In return, the elites "cooked" the books, showing the EU what it wanted to see – that progress was being made and that various economies were growing both less profligate and more profitable. In reality, nothing had changed. The countries were as ill-run and corrupt as ever, but with the misleading statistics in place, the EU could welcome in another state.

The cynical calculation was that the EU could manage any fallout from the false-pretenses under which these countries were joining. When a downturn came, as one would inevitably come, those running the EU from behind the scenes were confident that the emergency itself would yield a solution. From chaos comes order, etc. The only problem with this remedy was that it didn't anticipate the severity of the downturn or the anger of citizens who woke to find their countries basically bankrupt and their options, under the new EU charter fairly limited.

This is where the Irish are today. As Spiked puts it, "Amid all the uncertainty facing the Irish public, two things are certain: a jobless recovery is no recovery at all and political leadership, from any quarter, is entirely absent."

The money from the EU is long gone, vanished into the Irish ruling class' pockets, just as similar money has enriched the ruling classes of Portugal, Spain, Greece, Italy, etc. The Irish themselves enjoyed some prosperity in the 2000s thanks to the general boom but now the banks are bust, real estate continues its decline and even tourism is down despite the falling euro.

The EU was foisted on Europe as a kind of subterfuge. At almost every stage, EU power and influence has been gained without truthfulness as to what the Brussels socialists actually have in mind. The EU was supposed to be a free-trade zone, but over time it has become obvious that Euro-crats have planned all along to turn "Europe" into a nation of 500 million strong – whether or not those millions wanted such a vast state.

So many promises were made. The reality was that the many states of Europe would be able to compete more powerfully if they were homogenized. In truth this is a hollow argument. Countries like Switzerland and even tiny Monaco can compete in a large and unruly world by finding niches. The market itself will determine the industrial strategies – and people not nations will provide the creativity and industry to fill them. The idea that one must be part of a kind of political conglomerate to survive is not only incorrect but horribly damaging.

Certainly, the promise of the EU has not turned out well for the Irish who, only a year after their monumental vote to give the EU more power, are turning their collective backs on their own country. So many promises were made to the Irish, among other states, to ensure that a commitment to the EU was firmly entrenched prior to the expected downturn. Now that wealth has turned to dross, anger engulfs the PIGS, the countries that line the EU's Southern flank. Greece is aflame with anger and the mood is not much more pleasant in Spain, Portugal, etc.

In Ireland, there have been some protests but leadership is seen as so compromised and corrupt that little in terms of genuine direction has emerged – either from the political class or the public sector. Young Irish have thus begun to do what the Irish have done in the past: Emigrate. Rather than live through a decade of "austerity," they are leaving the erstwhile "Celtic Tiger," which remains tightly bound to the EU, an increasingly ineffective and corrupt colossus.

The Irish have foregone protest for the moment; youth is simply voting with its feet. But reports have it that the governing Fianna Fail party, which led the charge for the Lisbon Treaty ratification, will soon be toppled. Of course this is cold comfort. As Spiked points out: "Elite opinion, whether represented by the governing Fianna Fail and Green parties or the opposition Fine Gael and Labour ... does operate within an indescribably narrow ideological framework. In Ireland, there really is no alternative."

Conclusion: If the crisis persists, we would wonder if a wave of real political change will begin to sweep over Europe, one focused on a growing discontent with the EU itself. Of course, with the Lisbon Treaty in force, it would seem the die has been cast: the EU's power grows despite the swelling disaffection. It clings to life despite the corruption and increased despotism blighting the countries that have tied themselves to its prospects – reducing the fortunes of those who have joined. Can it yet end well?

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Posted by Chris on 7/30/2010 4:45:47 AM

Where will the Irish emmigrate to when the housing bubbles in China, Australia and Canada burst? Things might be a little better in London or Boston than in Dublin, but where exactly is the promised land?


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Good point.

Posted by AmanfromMars on 7/30/2010 5:15:59 AM

This little two and a half minute show ..... Click to View Link ...... reveals a paper tiger economy which was all a get rich quick scam for many.

And in the North, there is also the same sub-prime standard of useless leadership as is evidenced by this heartfelt SDLP Man observation, which no one can disagree with and retain any credibility .... "When will those morons Robinson and McGuinness realise that you can't create sustainable economic development by building stuff (or very little anyway) but only by nurturing business that produce tradeable goods and services." .... Click to View Link/

Posted by Bill Ross on 7/30/2010 6:21:04 AM

Its the great potato famine all over again, except rather than a blight on the key staple crop forcing mass emigration versus starvation, it is a blight on the ability to be productive, which requires that those who produce, keep their property and parasites (criminals) be sanctioned.

It is all so predictable. Obey natural law as proven in the grim reaper of "Mathematics of Rule", or, starve:

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I strongly suggest the Irish and all of us take a stand, hold their ground and OPPOSE (defend yourselves from) those who consider us to be slaves.

Posted by John Acord on 7/30/2010 6:21:33 AM

Attracted by low corporate taxes and incentives, a well educated work force, and a common language thousands of North American companies established their European headquarters and bases in Ireland.

Where once horse carts trod, BMW's sped in a highway system that could not keep up with the rapid economic expansion. Ireland became a showcase of capitalism and the streets of Dublin town lined with the offices of Google, Microsoft, and a myriad of high tech companies.

These companies attracted emigre Irish to return home from the USA, Canada, Australia and AEUROPE. In anticipation of growth that some years exceeded 7-8% a huge property speculation developed that one would have thought they were in California. Vast tracks of homes were built, sometimes rather shoddily, on farmland far removed from city centers, hotels and gold courses planted in scenic but remote areas.

Tens of thousands of Poles and Balts were employed in the burgeoning service industries. Unfortunately, this real growth was poisoned by an extraordinary expansion of the money supply in the form of cheap and readily available credit. Much of this credit was wisely spent in construction of a badly needed infrastructure.

A lot of this was dissipated in social schemes and much stolen. A country of frugal, hardworking largely rural and pious population was enticed with expectations of quick wealth and enormous and enduring prosperity.

With the bursting of the bubble the Irish did not react like the Greeks. They cut back on their welfare state, increased their savings rate, and exported their surplus workers, the Balts and Poles returned home allowing the service jobs to be performed by the Irish.

Unfortunately, their Irish Punt is forever gone and the final arbiter of Irish fortunes has been turned over to Brussels. The Irish are now as wedded to Brussels as they are to Rome. There will be no escape, especially in that a very high percentage of EU bureaucrats call Ireland home.


Reply from the Daily Bell:

It is not just Poles and Balts leaving. Irish, presumably young Irish, are leaving.

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The Government's think-tank, the Economic and Social Research Institute, has said 70,000 people left the country in the last year and that a further 50,000 will pack their bags by next April.

A large number of those leaving will be made up of foreign workers returning home. But a significant percentage will comprise Irish people left with no option but to find work opportunities abroad. ....

Posted by Denis on 7/30/2010 7:11:01 AM

Once again great analysis from DB

Thanks a lot for your views that you share with us. It is really a ray of hope in this times.

I really hope that your writing will spread through the internet community and beyond. People need this writing to get "different view of things"

As you said:

" It clings to life despite the corruption and increasingly despotism, blighting the countries that have tied themselves to its prospects and reducing the fortunes of those who have joined. Can it yet end well? "

I really hope that changes will come with more and more "real truth" educated people

Posted by Bill Ross on 7/30/2010 7:42:42 AM

I should remind the Irish that the emigration as as consequence of the potato famine exported generations of your best and brightest. The consequence of this was many generations of Irish domestic mediocrity and non-prosperity.

Will you allow or tolerate this treason by your predators to happen again?

Globalization, mass communication, transportation and IT has shrunk the world. Flight or Fight is obsolete. There is nowhere to run, everywhere is subverted and controlled by criminal interests. Reality, here and now is: Fight, or perish.

And, the greatest risk here is mobs running amok, demanding appeasement. From who? There is only one answer if mobs triumph: from the productive, the final nail in the coffin of civilization (the rules by which we cooperate for MUTUAL self-interest), once enforced by the "rule of law":

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This is that ball that peace and freedom seekers need to demand and keep their eyes on.

Posted by Knldgskr on 7/30/2010 8:15:39 AM

But where are the Irish moving to? Aren't they likely to be jumping from the pot into the fire? In a crisis it is knowledge of the territory that is crucial to survival. Sometimes it is best to "hunker down", get small (below Big Brother's radar), and be ready to emerge like the seeds that survive a fire and provide new healthy growth after the forest fire which cleaned out all the dead and diseased old trees.

Posted by Johnny Dangereaux on 7/30/2010 8:29:17 AM

Funny you compare today with the potato "famine". I studied Irish history and remember seeing bills of lading for foodstuffs exported to Liverpool and the like during the height of the so-called famine. It was more like genocide actually. Caused by the British!
And so today an outside power(the EU) has come to Ireland and created a famine. We need a new Micheal Collins....and an end to the "EU"


Reply from the Daily Bell:

The famine was not a "natural" occurrence.

Posted by Lila Rajiva on 7/30/2010 8:51:18 AM

"Thus it was that EU leaders began to offer additional monies, often in the billions, to the various governments for purposes of building up prosperity and paying down debts."

Would it be too conspiratorial to wonder if "the purpose" of the additional monies was precisely to create a corrupt cadre beholden to the Eurocrats and alienated from the population?

Excellent piece.

Posted by Dennis Murphy on 7/30/2010 9:10:02 AM

A respectful comment on the remarks of John Acord (Punt is forever gone " Irish are now Wedded to Brussels) is so far away from the truth.

Ireland everyone needs to remember, has survived Emigration of its Sons and Daughters throughout the world but each one of them/us has never forgotten where they/we were Born and Raised.

I'm certain that money (In the Millions) when called for would be gathered quickly for the Irish People in need. This would be followed by telling the EU and it's elite CROOKS to go and take a very close look at the Rear-end of Mr. McGinty's DONKEY.

There is such a thing as Divorce and the EU has and never will be a Faithful Wife to the Irish (The British were not so dumb after all) by remaining a distance from the EU cronies.

Ireland will do very well, it's people and its music will help see it through tough times AGAIN, AGAIN and Again!!


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Thanks for the passionate feedback. The Irish might want to think about an EU divorce as well?

Posted by V. Heddins on 7/30/2010 9:24:52 AM

The entire world is awash with "Fiat Paper Money" and hence the entire world is awash with corruption public offricials. It seems to be the new norm. Does no country on earth have asset backed currency?


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Until 2000 the Swiss had one.

Posted by David Welah on 7/30/2010 9:40:16 AM

I remember when I first heard of the EU years ago, I hoped that the independent nations in Europe wouldn't fall for that crap; to lose part--and eventually all--of their sovereignty (and culture) to some huge blob of a "union" run by a bunch of self-serving bureaucrats, with the nations' riches siphoned off to pay the fat cats' salaries and enrich euro-billionaires.

As a rule, don't trust strangers who say they want to "help" you. We have enough of those little dictators popping up in the United States.

David Welsh
Iowa State Coordinator, Tenth Amendment Center

Posted by Claudine on 7/30/2010 9:55:41 AM

Where in this world can the Irish or anyone anywhere emigrate to?

The only hope for all of us is PRAYER to our Heavenly FATHER GOD to send our precious JESUS CHRIST into this world as KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS to establish his promised kingdon and clean out the tares.

I PRAY it will be soon.

Posted by Ed on 7/30/2010 10:21:38 AM

Indeed, the Celtic Tiger is now merely a cub, and very undernourished at that. Where are the "escapees" going? In this case there can not be a "blame the victim" finger-pointing. The Irish did not want anything to do with the EU and and corrupt politicos. I have met Poles who left, and indeed, the former times were gung-ho. When will the American people who are in denial finally come out of the economic/political coma and do something useful?


Reply from the Daily Bell:

'The Irish did not want anything to do with the EU and and corrupt politicos."

Unfortunately, eventually they voted "yes" to the Treaty.

Posted by Janice on 7/30/2010 10:44:36 AM

Hunker down, keep your power dry, buy some gold and silver, and other useful tangibles to survive. Be absolutely committed to retaining a sense of humor, and all of your savings and income.

This is your right to live and survive while being respectful to others.

Stop cowering and continue praying.

Posted by Bill Ross on 7/30/2010 10:55:02 AM

DB: "Unfortunately, eventually they voted "yes" to the Treaty."

Odd, that a "yes" vote did not trigger a sequence of referendum until it stabilized at "no". We will badger / manipulate you until we get the vote we want. Then, there is no "sober second thought" or withdrawing consent.

This is like a mathematical trap door encryption function, one way to easily encrypt, impossible odds to decrypt (unless you know the key).

This is also how laws work. Once the political coup is achieved (law on the books) it becomes impossible to get rid of. This coerces behavior, preventing us from adapting to reality, a survival threat, as is precedent law (insanity: do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results):

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The key? peaceful Civil Disobedience by reason of self-defense:

Search: Civil Disobedience Thoreau Wiki

Posted by AmanfromMars on 7/30/2010 11:01:18 AM

"Thanks for the passionate feedback. The Irish might want to think about an EU divorce as well" ... Reply from the Daily Bell

Methinks the Mrs Robinson approach is more exciting and rewarding, DB.

An EMPassioned Mistress 42 Tempt the Worthy with the Sweet Submission and Total Surrender to Absolutely Fabulous Outrageous Desires, is an Addictive AdultERating CodeXSSXXXX Meme. ....... Gene Jean Genie and Spiders from Mars :-)

And here's a Message for Capns Ahab too ...... Click to View Link

Prepare 42BAMazed.

Posted by Klaus Kaufmann on 7/30/2010 11:35:01 AM

Something about your drift reminds me of the US " are you advocating that the 50 States separate? What of Canada? Is a return to the previous state better for the Europeans? Doesn't the EU prevent regional wars? Aren't the USA in a similar boat with increasing unemployment? What is at the core of social problems? Overstimulating the world economies? It's an old adage that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Any solution to that truth?


Reply from the Daily Bell:

No, we merely point out that the Irish are taking "human action." Nations can be bound by specific treaties but individual humans can still make up their own minds about what to do. This is actually an Achilles Heel of the EU, that while there is an elaborate edifice of treaties, etc., the best and the brightest - or most adventurous, anyway- are not bound by them.

Posted by Bill Ross on 7/30/2010 12:10:40 PM

DB: "the best and the brightest – or most adventurous, anyway- are not bound by them"

They KNOW the truth. They did not personally consent to whatever obligations were incurred in their name, thus, there is no social contract.

"Consent of the governed" does nor mean "consent to whomever the majority (largest group of bullies) elects to pretend to impose their will". It means: "consent of each and every one of us to what is done to or taken from us". We are, after all, free to choose to do anything allowed by the laws of physics and nobody can stop us. The only choice of others is: what do they choose to do in response? This is an immutable FACT of our action precedes consequence reality.

This is Social Contract 101:

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Contracts require consent of ALL parties. Without YOUR consent, it is slavery, tyranny and oppression.

Posted by Peter Underwood on 7/30/2010 12:13:11 PM

Klaus Kaufmann: "What is at the core of social problems?"

Perhaps this excerpt from the London Banker 2008 blog will assist:
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Since spring 2008, as US investment banks sold off assets, imposed margin calls, and used access to unsegregated wholesale assets in custody in the rest of the world to upstream liquidity to their US-based parents and affiliates, the dollar has strengthened relative to other currencies. The media reports this as a "flight to quality", but it is more like a last looting of the surrounding countryside before dangerous brigands hole up in their hilltop fortress. The brigands appear temporarily wealthy compared to the peons left stripped and penniless and facing winter. When the brigands have eaten all the stolen grain and livestock, however, they will have no means to replenish except to use force to raid the countryside again. The peons can always hunt, forage, farm and carefully husband a surplus to gradually increase their wealth. If the brigands raid too thoroughly or too regularly, the peons have no incentive to grow crops or keep herds (negative savings returns) and everyone starves (deflation).

I have quoted Mr John Mill before, but it bears repeating: ""Panics do not destroy capital; they merely reveal the extent to which it has been destroyed by its betrayal into hopelessly unproductive works." The extent to which capital has been betrayed in the past quarter century under Bretton Woods II, bank deregulation and the Basle Capital Adequacy Accords is unrivalled in the history of fiat banking. The bankers, lawmakers, regulators and academics who collaborated in the betrayal still hold power, like the well-armed brigands in the fortress, and their continued collaboration to prevent accountability must inevitably discourage honest savers from risking further loss. Even so, it is the savers/peons who hold the ultimate power as they can starve the brigands. When that final massive bubble bursts, deflation will follow its harsh corrective course and clean out deficit-financed "unproductive works".

Quite prescient I believe.

Posted by George Sign on 7/30/2010 12:21:41 PM

Unfortunately it will need the whole sorry mess created by central bankers and corrupt politicians to come tumbling down. Only when the average "soap-opera" "game-show" addicted masses really experience hardship will they start to question the system they live under. By that time Daily Bell readers will have found a safe haven financially where ever they happen to live.

Posted by Klaus Kaufmann on 7/30/2010 12:48:54 PM

DB: "The best and the brightest – or most adventurous anyway – are not bound by them."

This has always been true – even before the Middle Ages. Somehow I'm being reminded now of the text in John Lennon's song: 'Imagine there's no country... it isn't hard to do. No one to live or die for...

Posted by Bill Ross on 7/30/2010 1:05:25 PM

@Peter Underwood

"Quite prescient I believe"

Not prescient at all. Indicates a firm grasp of reality (relationship between action and consequence). In fact, they're talking about the REAL constraints on economics proven and made measurable by the grim reaper of "Mathematics of Rule":

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My point is: if you know the rules of reality, you can accurately predict the future. Prescient sounds too much like a lucky guess or, telepathetic.

We need to heed those with a firm grip on reality and, ignore (at a minimum) the mystics who claim "we can have something from nothing" and the predators who claim "we can have something at the unwilling expense of others" (also not without dire consequences).

Posted by Peter Underwood on 7/30/2010 1:25:27 PM

Agree entirely with Bill Ross's contention:

In 1981 Anthony Wedgwood Benn said:

"Conscience is above the law"

It is indeed for each individual to be free to choose to do anything allowed " as long as it does no harm to another. Unfortunately this does not preclude 'unintended consequences' to which we seem be increasingly subject as social compexity increases.

Must be some sort of 'universal law' hidden here somewhere.

Posted by Robert Eastman on 7/30/2010 1:36:50 PM

Though my comment is unrelated to Ireland, it may very well fit into a discussion of "Global Government" and the manipulations of "One Worlders" orchestrating events in order to "steal" from one group/nation in order to enrich another.

The idea occurred to me that possibly Obama declared a 6 month moratorium on "GOM" drilling to purposely force the rigs to go to Africa to work, thus transfering future wealth to that continent from NA. As BO's Chief of Staff says, "Never let a crisis go to waste!"

"If the common folk refuse to fall for the hoax of global warming and all of it's wealth transfer tricks, then by golly, we'll just have to take away their means of production!"

(Maybe this is just my cynical side revealing itself.)

Posted by Bill Ross on 7/30/2010 2:23:38 PM

@Peter Underwood

"Unfortunately this does not preclude 'unintended consequences' to which we seem be increasingly subject as social compexity increases."

It is entirely possible, no, probable that what is stated as "unintended consequences" (s--t happens) by our rulers (those who coerce) is, in actual fact, intended. They are just playing on a higher intellectual (and immoral) plane than most. Civilization has been undergoing a sequence of escalating assaults with very high social economic costs. Terrorists: MIC profits. Environmental Catastrophe: Green tax types profit. Economic Collapse: Those who engineered it profit. Problems in general: Central control freaks profit. The answer and implications to asking "cui bono" are fairly obvious.

Now, as an individual, suppose you harm a fellow citizen. Think you will get any judicial sympathy by stating "unintended consequences", shit happens or, the "devil made me do it"? Fat chance, unless you have nothing to take.

The law is very clear: cause harm and, pay the cost and reparations. This goes for ALL OF US, elites included. BS excuses like "unintended consequences" are, just like motives, impossible to prove. And, don't even get me started on legally proclaimed unaccountability (irresponsibility).

Its "rule of law", for all, or non-survival for all:

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Oddly enough, I am beginning to believe that our corrupt judiciary is beginning to see the survival threat that their behavior represents to themselves. Corrupt alliances / allegiances may have to be sacrificed for sheer survival of legal types. They are increasingly coming under the microscope of public scrutiny.

Posted by Victor Barney on 7/30/2010 5:04:50 PM

FYI:

Ireland is Dan of the House of Israel(Gen. 49:16-7). Dan is not a protected tribe by Yahweh in the end days(Rev. 7:4-8)! I have read that during the second group of Pilgrims coming to America were Irish Jesuit Priest and not who they claimed to be! Did you also know that before the civil war that all Roman Catholics were forbidden entry? Perhaps, this is why that they are "not" protected during Jacob's trouble like the rest of Israel for 3 1/2 years? Just thinking?

Posted by Noone on 7/30/2010 5:08:22 PM

"citizens who woke to find their countries basically bankrupt and their options, under the new EU charter fairly limited"

Not true. Given a change of administrations, a simple bill passed and signed resigning for the EU should be sufficient.

After all, how many divisions does Brussels have?

Posted by Panda Ora on 7/30/2010 5:13:27 PM

... more like the Mr. Potato Head glut. Here's some darting eyes, and here's some wax filled ears. Nice.

It's like Cead Mille Failte all over again.

Posted by Germn on 7/30/2010 6:15:49 PM

For me is evident that some in the actual economic system and economics theory is terrible wrong, but i can not see that our leaders will do something to change the course.

We have an strong wealth concentration in a hundred of corporations, meantime the people suffers poverty, unemployment an social security cuts.

Posted by SEAN on 7/30/2010 6:23:10 PM

In the 1916 uprising a banner reading-"WE SERVE NEITHER KING NOR KAISER BUT IRELAND." Well, in the last 30 years it has tried to do both via the monetary, banking and financial systems.-A full circle return to the absentee landlord system.

The banks in Ireland perform the same function as "black and tan" pill boxes from where the population are financially terrorised, murdered, and subjugated backwards into debt peonage. Ireland cannot go forward whilst it attempts to serve two masters-Whitehall and Brussels.

The potato famine, the black and tan scourge and now the financial implosion all have their roots in the colonial, mercantalist, absentee landlord system.

See Martin Hutchinson on the Baltic debacle of neo-colonialism. Conclusion: If you don't fight you lose! They knew how to fight the black and tans. Will they have the brains and balls to do the same to the Euro and Anglo financial warlords and neo-colonialists?


Reply from the Daily Bell:

They didn't need to fight, merely to vote "no" on the Lisbon treaty. Still wondering if someone will help us out and explain this vote ...

Posted by Bill Ross on 7/30/2010 7:19:40 PM

DB: "help us out and explain this vote"

New mathspeak?

Posted by P.Jar on 7/30/2010 8:09:26 PM

My first inclination was to say that they got sucked in by the free gift by changing to a new bank. A nice free microwave or toaster gets 'em every time. But that would have been facile.

This is from France 24:

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Experts have been saying that the financial crisis might encourage more 'yes' votes this time around. But the crisis is neither here nor there, according to Foley. "The EU is using Ireland's weak economy as an excuse. They're saying 'you voted no, this is why your economy is going to crap.'"

The real problem, in Foley's opinion, is that the Irish government "is weak and won't stand up to the EU." He is pessimistic about the referendum. "Unfortunately, more people will probably vote yes because they've been brainwashed (about the financial crisis issue)."

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Oh, I was right.

Posted by Finn on 7/30/2010 8:20:18 PM

I do believe that Bill Ross is on the right track. Multiple posts about emigrating and where to go....? Indeed, how many homes will we be run out of? How many "dollars" will we allow to be stolen? How many lives lost? Sons killed? Daughters raped? Until people stop running and make a stand will this all continue.

Violence is not needed, just a change of lifestyle. But expect violence from the playground bully who has run out of friends to boss around.

And where will anyone go? To a country where you know little of the language and culture? A place where you have no support group? What bank will you bank with only to be immediately identified by TPTB?

No, we must make a stand. We MUST stop them through resistance. Resist the ipod. Resist the Kool-Aid, the doritos, the loans, the debt the latest and greatest X. Daily we demonstrate how weak we are by looking in the rear view mirror only to see our latest, coolest pair of shades.

The Irish will figure it out. Their spirit will be broken as will everyone's else and then it's game on.

Posted by P.Jar on 7/30/2010 8:29:58 PM

The Irish are used to centuries of having nothing. They were happy and made do with the little they had. They had more than just money, they had a good sense of humour. And they will get it back soon; Dave Allen, Spike Milligan, Ian Paisley, to name just 3 comedians.

Resist the Ipod? Is that a joke? Are you Dave Allen?

Posted by Finn on 7/30/2010 8:47:58 PM

Many are used to having very little. Before the age of oil and a bunch of spoiled brat grown ups running around, many were content.

And yes, I was joking about the ipod although I know that threatens some.

Don't really know Dave Allen but I'm enjoying him on Utube right now. I love technology, and my ipod!!!! :) Dave Allen on Religion, good stuff. Thx.

Posted by P.Jar on 7/30/2010 9:17:51 PM

I hate Ipods. Give me MP3s on a notebook blasting trough a Bose computer speaker system in my truck any day of the week. (Portable too, my battery is 100Ah).

Spike Milligan called the Concord a "Flying Groundnut Scheme". Look that one up. He was truly funny and a little mad, unlike me.

Ian Paisley, God rest his soul is actually STILL ALIVE!

Part of me hails from County Monaghan in Northern Ireland, but that county is actually in the South, so they could really screw with people's heads. Thank King Henry VIII's son, Ross Perot for that one.

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I just surfed while composing this little piece and found I am likely descended from Hugh O'Neill. OMG. I am the "one."

Bill and Finn, will you be my Sanchos? Where's my lance e schultz?

Sorry. The lights just went out. Bye.

Posted by AmanfromMars on 7/31/2010 12:00:15 AM

"Unfortunately it will need the whole sorry mess created by central bankers and corrupt politicians to come tumbling down." .... Posted by George Sign on 7/30/2010 12:21:41 PM

What says the Daily Bell to that Signed solution? Would it be bravely endorsed or studiously ignored, which is nearly always a sure sign of something decidedly unsettling but wholly prescient. Although of course, for they who are so able, would such support as welcome as it would be, be really unnecessary.

Posted by Ingo Bischoff on 7/31/2010 12:26:38 AM

In the long run, the elites can never prevail. It is simply contrary to natural law. Unfettered access to information by the public will render a decision by the "crowd" to be always superior to that of the elite "experts". That is how markets work. Successful governments benefit from that same natural phenomena. Therefore, governments that are guided in their policy with maximum input from the governed are more stable and benefit the general populus. Governments run by "experts" that refuse to take "no" as an answer in a plebiscite, will soon find themselves in trouble.

As Harry Schultz put it, the best antidote to a "one world government" where the "elites" reign, is a collection of a 1,000 tiny nations with governments directed by "We the People...."

Posted by Ingo Bischoff on 7/31/2010 1:31:07 AM

As a comment to Klaus Kaufmann's remark, "Something about your drift reminds me of the US " are you advocating that the 50 States separate? ----- leads me to say, yes absolutely, but not in the way suggested.

The people of the U.S. are increasingly governed directly from Washington, DC. Sovereignty of the individual states is being disrespected by the governing elites. The ratification of the 17th Amendment in 1913 eliminated the voice of the States in legislative affairs of the federal government.

Since then, the elites have gained greater and greater power and influence over the American people, ignoring the states and their sovereignty in governing the citizens of their state. Thanks to the power and influence of the elites in the central government, the U.S. has a central bank which through interest rate policy has destroyed capital intensive businesses from railroads to airlines, from automobile manufacturers to steel mills. In the process a redeemable currency system was ruined and replaced with the "Ponzi Scheme" of monetizing government debt.

The elites have involved the country in two World Wars and numerous small ones, while pushing an irredeemable U.S. dollar for use as a world wide reserve currency, which while still some value today, cannot be rescued from an eventual meltdown. Should the 50 States be "separate".......??? I say yes...absolutely, but separate "Republics" united in a Federation as provided by the original constitution, not absorbed into one overpowering, overreaching federal government run by a ruling, monetary elite. The repeal of the 17th Amendment will restore Federalism and return to U.S. to a union of 50 separate, individual, sovereign states. Pray it happens.

Posted by Acudoc on 7/31/2010 2:28:05 AM

I guess the banking powers that be would prefer massive unemployment and complete de-industrialization of Europe and the United States rather than the conceptually simple expedient of re-instituting the international clearing of trade imbalances by a gold standard, a move that would absolutely require that a country produce in order to get something in return. Fiat money isn't working. Funny they haven't noticed...

Posted by Peter Underwood on 7/31/2010 4:00:29 AM

Our band of INDEPENDENTS in UK fully support Ingo Bischoff's comments:
We are battling against an entrenched Party system in UK in league with a corrupt politico-bureaucratic EU which has emasculated our British way of life to the point that our very national identity is threaten with extinction.

Ostensibly we are sovereign with our own central bank, currency and monarch which, we are led to believe, will guarantee our national self-determination. In practice the EU has proven to be a stealth oligarchy ridden with just the same corruptions as the US and proving a massive challenge to even persuade our people that their heritage has already been highjacked.

We are integral with the Anglo-Amercian, Military-Corporate Power Elite complex. We believe that the first step must be to remove the two-party systems masquerading as rule by the people, for the people etc by replacing the current crop of trough-feeders with a swarm of independent representatives. Only then can real change begin – we are a long way from seeing an educated populace on either side of the Atlantic, but the internet offers more than hope that both nations will prevail one day.

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Posted by Adolfo Nicolas on 7/31/2010 10:32:24 AM

Why does the Daily Bell worry about elections? Elections can be rigged. Ballots can be misplaced or not counted. Voters can be intimidated. Why is majority rule at the ballot box so important when the majority can be wrong?

In American, the electronic voting machines are rife with insecurity and no auditing trails. Lastly, there is usually a choice of only "Yes" or "No" or either of two equally horrible candidates who stand for the same elite.

As Joseph Stalin said, "It is not who votes that counts. It is who counts the votes that counts."


Reply from the Daily Bell:

We are not worried about elections in this case but in understanding what went on behind the scenes, not being in Ireland during the time of the second vote. But it's kind of obvious anyway.

Posted by Mike on 7/31/2010 11:17:56 PM

ditto..Johnny Dangerou....how could the Irish after a century fighting for soverenity sell it off to Brussels....damn the money grubbing treasoners that infect the world and make suckersd of us.......and ive but a sliver of that bloodstock root..i am disappointed...

Posted by Blondie on 8/1/2010 5:32:12 AM

I suspect the EU saw this coming long ago, which is why all the european nations were roped into the EU, by whichever method required.

The Euro is the only currency to have severed its link to gold. This is why it was created. A lot of those emigrating may wish to return in the future.

Just because the situation seems futile now does not necessarily mean things are not unfolding as planned.

It just means you don't know the whole plan.


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"The Euro is the only currency to have severed its link to gold."

The euro has an indefinable relationship to gold.

Posted by German on 8/1/2010 6:44:54 AM

For me is evident that some in the actual economic system and economics theory is terrible wrong, but i can not see that our leaders will do something to change the course.

We have an strong wealth concentration in a hundred of corporations, meantime the people suffers poverty, unemployment an social security cuts.

Posted by Valerie Protopapas on 8/1/2010 7:45:52 AM

Why is it that a "treaty" based upon lies and deception and forced upon people through monetary extortion is somehow sacrosanct and must be honored?

The whole European Union was a lie " as the writer so clearly declares. It WASN'T about "free trade" or the betterment of the nations of Europe, it was about a socialist/communist agenda of a huge "nation" which will be much easier to absorb into the New World Order than individual nations would be.

That's why the current administration in the US has open borders; it will be easier to create the North American Union once borders are broken down.

Ireland and other European states must decide if their own citizens rule or if a cadre of leftist elites will run everything for their own profit and power. A treaty based upon lies is null and void and should be ignored.

Posted by White Cloud on 8/1/2010 8:11:18 AM

Having grown up in Europe I've seen the EU disaster coming since the mid-1980s, entertaining visions of zombie bureaucrats in dank basements in Brussels writing up specifications for absolutely everything down to the number of hairs on dolls' heads.

Many continental Europeans bought into the scam because they were ironically led to believe it would give them the clout to withstand the materialistic Anglo-American bankster influences which were correctly seen as destructive to their cultural and spiritual values. The writing was always on the wall that the very opposite would happen " total enslavement to the global financial cabal " but somehow obscured from view to all but a few by the fog of propaganda.

In 1992 I had the pleasure and privilege of trekking through Ireland for a month, just before the first leg of the crack-up boom was about to change the Irish landscape forever -for the worse. Just as the country was caught up in the double buzz of the soccer World Cup and the impending referendum on the Maastricht treaty. (In hindsight, I wonder what to make of those two events having been scheduled simultaneously " another willful diversion tactic?)

Wherever I went, I did my utmost to explain what I saw was going to happen and persuade my gracious hosts to vote NO. I reasoned, implored, begged, and pleaded for it. Well, you know what happened next. Greed: 1 " Sense: 0. Maastricht was ratified.

Next thing I knew, all the old village butchers and cheesemakers in France, many of whom had been in business for decades without a single sanitary complaint, were being forced to shut down.

It was truly the beginning of the end for all of Europe. Thinking she had found her panacea, Lady Europe let the enemy in through the back door.

Posted by SEAN on 8/1/2010 11:40:26 AM

In the 1916 uprising a banner reading-"WE SERVE NEITHER KING NOR KAISER BUT IRELAND." Well, in the last 30 years it has tried to do both via the monetary, banking and financial systems.-A full circle return to the absentee landlord system.

The banks in Ireland perform the same function as "black and tan" pill boxes from where the population are financially terrorised, murdered, and subjugated backwards into debt peonage.

Ireland cannot go forward whilst it attempts to serve two masters-Whitehall and Brussels. The potato famine, the black and tan scourge and now the financial implosion all have their roots in the colonial, mercantalist, absentee landlord system.

See Martin Hutchinson on the Baltic debacle of neo-colonialism. Conclusion: If you don't fight you lose! They knew how to fight the black and tans. Will they have the brains and balls to do the same to the Euro and Anglo financial warlords and neo-colonialists?

Posted by Rory on 8/2/2010 1:29:55 PM

@ David Bell.

At the height of the "Celtic Tiger" as many as 250,000 Poles were working in Ireland, together with large numbers from other countries, mostly Eastern Europeans.

There is no doubt that the Irish will begin to emigrate again if jobs are no longer available. I would think that most of those emigrating already (in the figures that you produced) are Poles and others returning home as work has dried up.

The famine was not a "natural" occurrence.

The Irish Famine was of course caused by an act of nature. However, lest we forget, the resulting unnecessary deaths were an act of genocide carried out by the English Elite and their servants against the Irish.

Great educational and enlightening site. Keep up the good work!


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History Corner: The Great Irish Famine

What became known as the great famine occurred between 1845 and 52 and was one of the greatest catastrophies of the nineteenth century. It resulted in the deaths of millions of people from starvation and disease and a decline in Irelands population through emigration. It was thought by many to be an English induced famine used by a greedy government to solve the Irish question. The potato failed from blight but the country was full of food, which was taken away from those who grew it, to be consumed by the expanding workforce of the industrial boom in England or by its army overseas. The English hid behind the fact that they were the constitutional government for the Irish people pretending to be concerned by begging food for her people abroad while at the same time by constitutional policies taking the food from the people. They were ruthless in putting down all attempts by the Irish for self-government and all attempts of resistance. They passed laws that made it a crime for a father to protect his children or his home from destruction. They passed coercion laws that made it a crime for the Irish to leave their homes between sunrise and sunset or to hold arms. They had a well-fed armed guard of military and police watch over them while they starved. Never in the history of mankind was there a government who acted so cruelly to its people. Ireland never needed the begging bowl it had its own food grown in its own land and only needed its own concerned legislatures to pass laws to save her people. The constitutional Government of England was then the most powerful in the world and had the ear of the world through its influence and press. They manipulated the facts to cover up the real truth of what was happening in Ireland the mass murder of its people and the destruction of Ireland. An English induced constitutional famine.

There were many reasons put forward by them to explain the great famine during the 1840's. The shortage of food was one. This was a myth. During the famine years there was plenty of food in Ireland enough to feed double its population. Yes the potato failed but all other crops thrived. Under the system at the time Irish food was exported mainly to English markets but from they're found its way to many parts of the world. It puzzled many to hear there was famine in a land that had so much food to export .In normal countries it was usual to export food only after its population was fed. This was not the case in Ireland; during the period her food was taken away against the wishes of her people, usually at gunpoint and escorted to the ports under military guard. It was then carried away on ships leaving misery and starvation behind.

Posted by Leonardo Pisano on 8/2/2010 5:39:40 PM

The Irish second voting round and a similar event in the Netherlands where the nay was simply ignored as the political elite found out that a referendum wasn't necessary and they could decide themselves on behalf of the nation. How much more proof do we need that the EU isn't even close to a democracy?

Posted by Patrick O'sullivan on 8/2/2010 6:12:54 PM

COME ON STAFF,GIVE US THE SOLUTION.THERE IS NO USE WRITING ALL THIS STUFF,WITHOUT YOU GIVING US THE SOLUTION. DESPERATE IRISH CITIZEN - LIVING IN IRELAND.PATRICK O'SULLIVAN


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Caps off. Please don't shout. Here's the deal.

You: Provide us a snapshot of what's really going on in Ireland today, why the Irish voted pro-EU the second time around and what the sentiment and economic temperature is right now. Still pro EU? Still optimistic? Mainstream publications have it that the Irish, unlike the Greeks, have shown a good level of maturity about austerity, and have not complained. According to this meme, the Irish will eat pet food for the next decade but out of their sacrifices will come a "better Ireland." Is this so?

We: Will provide you, in our turn, with an "answer."

Posted by Tom 0'Seirlog on 8/3/2010 11:59:42 PM

Look on the bright side: all the good Irish times dried up the Muse pool. Now that tough times have returned more wonderful Irish song and music will flow again. What will be the next Fields of Athenry, the next Sean South, or the next Cliffs of Doneen?

Posted by PB on 8/4/2010 4:45:19 PM

This story seems to parallel whats happening in the US. The individual countries (states of the US – excluding Vermont) of the EU (US) are forced to balance the budget while the (government) central banks are allowed to spend freely. Two separate sets of rules. It's not an equal or natural process.

Posted by Rory on 8/4/2010 5:12:05 PM

My understanding for what it is worth re. the Irish Lisbon Treaty vote is as follows:

In the 1st referendum where the Irish voted "no" there was a lot of 'mismanagement' on the Government's part.

On the other hand, the campaign for a "no" vote was strong, well organised and appeared to know and convey intelligently what they were talking about. They appeared to have the facts. The politicians supporting the "yes" campaign either had not got the answers, or the information readily available to offset the the claims and assertions of the "no" vote spokespeople. In other words, they had not done their homework and prepared properly for this referendum. They came across as disorganised and appeared not fully committed to their view. This was proven by their defeat!

In both referendums all the main political parties were backing and supporting a "yes" vote with the exception of Sinn Fein. That the Irish decided to vote against the Treaty in such circumstances was really quite amazing...going against the wishes of all the main Parties! This definitely should have been the end of the matter and democratically accepted by all.....but that sadly was not to be the case.

The 2nd referendum was announced at a time when there was a lot of financial insecurity about and people feared for their jobs and welfare. The Banks, Construction companies and Builders were in free-fall and their problems were affecting everyone. The crisis was in full swing and many were losing their jobs, worrying about pensions and hefty mortgages taken out during the boom years. Added to this was the full weight of the EEC and the main political parties spewing their gloom and doom should the outcome not result in a "yes" vote second time round!

There was also a concerted campaign by big companies / corporations including Ryanair and Intel amongst others to influence and sway the vote. They did this verbally and with their cash. Michael O'Leary, the head of Ryanair, announced that the low-cost airline would spend 455,000 euros on promoting a "yes" vote. Ryanair paid for full-page advertisements in the biggest-selling Irish daily newspaper that proclaimed: "1 million reasons to vote 'Yes to Europe'. 1 million FREE seats. Vote Yes to Europe."

The previous year this same Mr. O'Leary had attacked the idea of forcing the Republic to vote again on the treaty. "It seems that only in the European Union, Ireland and Zimbabwe are you forced to vote twice," he said.

Intel announced that it was spending 225,000 euros approx on advertisements and posters urging a "yes" vote.

Lobbyists were also busy raising funds within the EEC to support a "yes" vote and one group expected to spend a half million euros to do this.

There was a great deal of fear mongering at this time as well from Irish politician, other member states and big business people. The voters were drowned in a sea of negativity and dire warnings about the drastic consequences for Ireland and it's people should a "no" vote be repeated. At the same time the main "no" vote campaigner " multimillionaire businessman Declan Ganley was on the receiving end of a lot of negative publicity and accusations concerning his real agenda with questions arising regarding his 'backers' etc.

Meanwhile, recently re-elected European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso used a visit to Limerick shortly before the referendum to announce 14.8 million funding for 2,400 Dell workers in the city who had lost their jobs. The "no" campaigners clearly saw this as a ploy to sway the votes in that area. Barroso used his visit to dispense reminders of a bankrupt Iceland, where "people went to the ATM machine and there was no money". Implied threat understood and taken!

He reminded voters that Irish banks had received 120 billion in loans from the European Central Bank.

So all in all, I am of the opinion that the big guns were brought to bear in a very undemocratic way to scare the Irish into reversing their "no" vote on the Lisbon Treaty. This together with the financial crisis, loss of jobs and very negative forecasts regarding what the outcome would be if a "yes" vote was not returned, had the desired result. I often wonder how many more referendums would have been insisted upon if a "no" vote had been the result 2nd time round!!!

The Irish I feel succumbed to the negative forces, probably believing through fear and worry that if things went really bad economically, that the EEC would bail them out for voting "yes" and remaining in the club....so to speak. They probably thought (believed) that rejecting the Lisbon Treaty would mean....being fed to the sharks if worse came to worse.

This is just my humble opinion on why Ireland voted "yes" the second time out. With regards to how the Irish feel now, I think that others are going to reply to that question in a more informed way than I am able to.

One sure thing is " the Irish are presently very angry over their Banking crisis, the state of corruption and with their politicians. I also presume that they are not too happy with the undemocratic bureaucratic monster that now rules over 'their every need'!

Regards


Reply from the Daily Bell:

This was exactly what were hoping for. Thanks. We would have to believe that the Irish, generally, feel even more aggrieved now then when they voted "no" the first time. It cannot be a happy situation.

Posted by Rory on 8/5/2010 8:26:12 AM

To follow up on my previous post. A letter to the Irish Independent today may throw some more light on how the Irish are feeling at the moment:

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I strongly believe that the vast majority of EEC citizens have next to no knowledge or insight into how their Community works; not to mention the machinations and long term goals of this Organisation. Few of our politicians (aside from MEPs), have any inkling either, I imagine.

Citizens of the various countries have their hands full trying to cope, deal with and understand their own political systems, scandals and problems at home without trying to fathom the intrigue and politics of the colossus that is now the European Community. Can anyone blame them! Until recently we have all had to rely on our Media to hopefully investigate and report such details to us. This was a fact of life. Now however, we are lucky to have the Internet at our disposal where we can try to search out the truth...difficult as that may be at times.

Sites such as David Bell are a great way to educate and enlighten people and more of the same is what is badly needed. Many people unfortunately lack the time or have not got the interest to bother themselves with anything that may require them to question their own beliefs and opinions. The thought of having to do this makes some people very uncomfortable. They would prefer not to know rather than being bothered by having to find out for themselves if something is true or false.

It is human nature to think this way no doubt. However, it greatly strengthens the hands of those that hope to gain from our lazy dumbed-down consciousness through policies and actions that are detrimental to the majority of us and to their benefit.

The dumbing-down is par for the course and is happening now on a global scale. With few exceptions, only the news that the elite wants or wishes to be heard is on offer through the main media outlets (which they control). This is particularly true in the USA.

So is the EEC all above board and democratically run! Are major decisions taken and policies made on a democratic and free basis by elected representatives! Are these policies made and decisions taken on the basis that they are good and for the benefit of the vast majority of the members of this community!

Anyone care to enlighten us with some "facts" regarding our new masters, their main policies and actions? What is their ultimate goal and plan for us all? Who will be the winners and the losers if they accomplish their goal? Do you think that this last question is a a bit of a no-brainer? Yes, so do I!

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